[Peakoil] This is the end? Lovelock comments.

[Keith Thomas]

There is a third answer - restoring the ability of nature to do what it 
was doing before being so rudely interrupted by homo sapiens. 
Engineering solutions and fighting against nature are what caused the 
problem in the first place. The only good thing engineers have ever 
done is build bridges. Keep them OUT of this; they are bound to stuff 
it up irretrievably. Electric cars are a pathetic attempt by boys who 
haven't grown up to cheat nature. CAN'T be done. The solutions are 
going to require significant changes for all of us - and plug in happy 
motoring is not a significant change.

Lovelock is worth paying attention to. He is years ahead of the status 
quo scientists who are locked in their narrow disciplines and 
constrained by funding and political correctness. Listen to retired 
scientists. Read Lovelock's "Gaia's Revenge". Then read Stephan 
Harding's "Animate Earth". Then Derrick Jensen's "Endgame". Don't 
listen to governments; they have NO idea.
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Keith Thomas
www.evfit.com
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On 30/11/2006, at 12:41 PM, POLLARD,Sandy wrote:

> Lovelock's comment:
>  
> "Almost all of the systems that have been looked at are in positive 
> feedback ... and soon those effects will be larger than any of the 
> effects of carbon dioxide emissions from industry and so on around the 
> world."
>  
> ...has interesting implications. If true (and he's not alone here), it 
> implies that not only is immediate 'zero-minus' action necessary (to 
> reduce the effect of CO2 already in the atmosphere) - it will also be 
> necessary to try to break those feedback loops with massive planetary 
> scale interventions.
>  
> The feedback loops eventually push tipping points eg:
>  
> http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/11/13th_tipping_point.html
>
> (Excellent article: biology, climate science, sociology)
>  
> I've read of all sorts of giant schemes (umbrellas in space, a circle 
> of wind turbines around the arctic etc.)
>  
> Setting aside the difficulties in being sure of not triggering 
> unintended consequences, what kind of entity on this planet would have 
> the resources and power to pull these interventions off (assuming they 
> could get resources, scientific consensus and anything approaching 
> public approval)?
>  
> Remembering that by the time this becomes clear, we are likely to be 
> in free-fall energy descent.
>  
> Optimist answer: 'All of us' is the only entity that could do this.
>  
> Pessimist answer: 'We're toast'.
>  
> Happy to hear of a third answer. And I agree with Adrian - a way 
> forward that justifies the word 'hope' still has to be 
> important.      
>  
>
> Sandy Pollard
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